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Boronx

Sounds like satire.

DragonScholar

I've analyzed humor about this before, and I think it comes down to this.

Really funny humor is still connected to it's source. Mystery Science Theater mocked the heck out of movies - but also we loved those cheesy movies. The Daily Show can mock people mercilessly, yet can strangely find their humanity as well. Good humor also is able to laugh at itself - there's often a 'there but for the grace of God go I' element to it.

This kind of humor is attack humor. It's egocentric. It's got no connection to what it is parodying. It's nasty, cruel, and only works for people in a certian mindset. Ergo, its not exactly "funny" in the broadest sense it is, AT BEST, an inside joke.

For good humor I always reccomend The Venture Brothers, a parody of old cartoons that veers into homage, and shows great affection for what it does. It is fully capable of mocking Johnny Quest one moment, then suddenly making you see its characters as very human.

Brian Schmidt

Dragon - affectionate humor is just one type. The best Daily Show stuff I remember is when Cheney shot Whittington, especially the discussion of whether Cheney would accept Whittington's apology. Not too much affection there, and it was great.

Re South Park - they're libertarian, not standard conservative, and take funny potshots at every political angle except the libertarian politics (which would be really funny to take shots at, but for some unexplained reason they skip it).

Bruce Baugh

I've encountered the argument that satire is at heart a weapon of the weak against the strong - it's a thing you do when lots of other channels are closed. Certainly that's often how it's been used, past and present. But the conservative movement is all about protecting the privileges of the powerful. Its satire is the strong against the weak, and that's basically just bullying. It doesn't matter if they feel filled with resentment and persecution, the fact is that it's their bosses who are running the show, and their efforts to mock the rest of us are at heart nothing more tools for suppressing challenges.

Susan of Texas

I think good comedy points out something true about people, often something we all have in common. We laugh at the recognition of a part of ourselves and/or our society. Thus (as already said) you have to be able to laugh at yourself, recognize yourself, and see yourself in other people. Conservatives don't do that.

Quicksand

Kathy, you misspelled "Best" in your headline. It will be like a documentary of conservative depravity.

Who's bringing the popcorn?

Another Luke

YES, re: Venture Brothers.

John D.

You know, satire doesn't have to be "fair", but it has to be real; For satire to be effective, it absolutely has to be honest: If you have a target you want to savage, even in a zanily humorous light, you have to present it in an accurate way in order to point out how wrong it is...Based on the above report, this upcoming Flaming Turd of a Film isn't even remotely accurate. It's filled with the usual lies and projection we've come to expect from the American right wing.

It's propaganda, not comedy, and certainly not "satire".

thetruth

The best comedy comes from pointing out the foibles and hypocrisies of your target. Not from just making shit up, then trying to make fun of the made up shit.

Conservatives claim liberals want to abolish the 4th of July. Thus conservatives are claiming liberals hate the USA.

This is fundamentally untrue. This is fundamentally dishonest. Liberals love our country as much as anyone. This is why conservatives are fundamentally unfunny. They are fundamentally untrue.

When conservatism develops fundamental honesty at its core, instead of being based around a lie, it will start to learn to be truly funny.

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