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Well, efficiency requires P=MC in the labor market too. So where's the fuss?

The lack of opportunities for many people (and hence their low opportunity cost) comes from then not having productive capabilities: health, education, etc.

So this crusade is at best misguided. I won't say that it is at worst.

I'm just curious, why do so many Democrats want to take away workers right to vote on a secret ballot about unionization (aka "card check")? While many things make sense (even if I don't agree with them), I can't even think of a rationale for this. Can someone explain?

Bentley Little's "The Store" is a strange sick parody about the addiction to cheap at any cost. Closing up shops of the small business owner (was doesn't Wal-Mart sell?....oh yeah, humanity), unfriendly environmental practices- our city was so happy to have a Wal-Mart open here, they negotiated to waive the obligations they have for replanting and fees per tree costs assigned to any other person building in the city. They clear cut acres for the "store" and yet, people who want to build homes pay thousands to develop. That is real life.
The story is a fun read, creepy, but easy to make the parallels. I highly recommend it!

"where does the company's ferociously anti-union attitude come from?"

Gosh, I dunno, maybe they understand the subject perhaps?

Unions exist to raise the pay and conditions of their members (nothing wrong with that, I hasten to add, the right of association is just as important as the one to free speech). That increase in real incomes has to come from someone else, probably the investors. Management, as the agents of the investors (remember that fiduciary duty thing) are thus simply doing their job by being hostile to unions.

No?

Nina,

The hostility to the so-called "secret ballot" elections conducted by the NLRB is that they give the employer the opportunity to mount a full scale campaign against the union, usually replete with the illegal firings of union supporters among employees. Additionally, the legal process surounding the election means that the employer can tie the matter up for years between the NLRB and the courts. I was involved in a case involving the illegal discharge of workers and won their reinstatement SEVEN YEARS after the were fired. Do you suppose my legal victory meant anything at that point in terms of the organizing campaign?

Don't get sucked in by these disingenusous arguments against card check. The Wal-Marts of the world want to continue to the present system not to protect worker's freedom, but because they know that they can completely game the system to stop unioniztion.

Tim,

Employers should have no say whatsoever in the decision of employees on whether to unionize or not.

Tim, most employers, in the U.S. at least, are indeed strongly anti-union. And the research shows that unions are associated with lower profits, so there's reason for them to feel that way.

But Wal-Mart is unusual for the depth of its anti-union sentiments. As I noted in my post, they are unusually vigilant in their attempts to squelch union activity. They devote enormous resources to union busting, including a special hotline and a response team that is flown in on a corporate jet to respond onsite to reports of union organizing activities at any of their stores.

There's no question that they are much more hardcore about this than most other workplaces in the U.S. As noted in my post, when one Wal-Mart store unionized its butchers, the entire chain phased out butchers and started stocking prepackaged meat instead.

Corporate culture does have a lot to do with how different companies respond to attempts at union organizing. Costco, for example, is another low-price retailer, but about 18% of its workforce is unionized. And even in the nonunionized shops employees have better pay and benefits than the Wal-Mart employees do. Turnover at Costco is significantly lower than it is at Wal-Mart. The difference in corporate culture is the reason why those two retailers treat their workers very differently.

Sir Charles:

But why eliminate secret ballots? That's what I don't understand. Why not simply push for speeding up the union election process, and perhaps better enforcement of existing laws?

Incidentally, apart from "illegal firings", what's wrong with a campaign against unionization? Unions are free to pay people to listen to pro-union propaganda, just as employers can pay people to listen to anti-union propaganda. Isn't that just free speech?

"Costco, for example, is another low-price retailer, but about 18% of its workforce is unionized. And even in the nonunionized shops employees have better pay and benefits than the Wal-Mart employees do. Turnover at Costco is significantly lower than it is at Wal-Mart. The difference in corporate culture is the reason why those two retailers treat their workers very differently."

I wrote a long essay on this a couple of years ago. Costco does indeed pay its workers more. It also employs a great deal less labour (as per turnover etc). It's not so much corporate culture as business model, although I agree that you can equate the two.

Costco has higher sales per empoyee, higher margins per employee and higher profits per employee. That's fine, they're using higher cost labour but getting greater productivity than the greater cost out of them. WalMart uses vastly more labour per unit of sales and pays its workers less: this isn't so much a revelation as a simple identity: you employ more low productivity workers this is what is going to happen.

When I actually did the sums I worked out that WalMart could be just like Costco if desired: they'd just have to fire half their workers: that's some 600,000 people I believe.

Nina,

That's just terribly naive. Number one, it is illegal for unions to give any inducement to people in the course of campaigns. Number two, it presupposes that employer's speech is not inherently coercive -- of course it is, they control your livelihood. The union -- not so much.

One is reminded of the addage about freedom of the press -- it is available to anyone who owns a press. It is impossible for an employer to weigh in on the issue of unionization and not have a coercive element to it.

Ninja Zombie, we're all stocked up on right-wingers here, along with leading questions, faux requests for explanations, and GOPEcon 101.

Kathy - have you seen Liza Featherstone's book?

Wal-Mart has done more for the poor (even reducing inequality, http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/19/shattering-the-conventional-wisdom-on-growing-inequality/#more-2640 ) than any politician. It is sickening that for the benefit they provided they became public enemy number one for all those who wish to signal their status as above those rubes who would work or shop at the store. And in what other circumstance would its enemies applaud the end of a secret ballot, which in public elections serves to protect the voter from retaliation regardless of who it might emanate from?

Ecrasez l'infame. Sure. After the original l'infame had been steadily weakening relative to the State since Westphalia your predecessors decided to crush it and thereby usher in the murderous waves of nationalism and communism that would shock the worst despot of the ancien regime (and I say that as an atheist with residual anti-Catholic prejudices). I can only hope that I'll be dead before you and your compatriots bless the world with your next improvement.

"_Management, as the agents of the investors (remember that fiduciary duty thing) are thus simply doing their job by being hostile to unions._"

If you define "fiduciary duty" as "maximumizing short term (quarterly) profits." But that does not create wealth. It just gives the appearance of creating create wealth when actually doing the opposite. What we call wealth only has meaning in a stable society. An unfair society does not stay stable for long. The growing perception of our society (correctly IMO) is that it is unfair economically.

Of course, the so-called "winners" love the game. It is a game where the winner takes all or almost all (or more and more) of the benefits. You can tell yourself all you like that the best players deserve what they get, but if there is no game they get nothing. When most people feel they cannot possibly win a game or that a game is rigged, they stop playing. This possibility seems impossible for some to comprehend (i.e. those who subscribe to this idea of human existence as a Darwinian struggle and our social organization as driven by this invisible hand). But as European aristocrats learned, if the "losers" decide to play a different game who is a "winner" changes dramatically.

"_I can only hope that I'll be dead before you and your compatriots bless the world with your next improvement._"


You dread the "next improvement" as opposed to what? No attempt at improvement? (Or do you support a better improvement? One that is 100% certain to be successful?). And what do you think of efforts at "improvement" like abolishing slavery or striving for a more equitable society. Dreadful?


only CEO Lee H Scott of Wal Mart is running Wal Mart by lower Wal Mart Employee waged and reduce affordable Health Care and tell Wal Mart Employee vote for John McCain for President in November Elections 2008 and use the privet plaine to go to his Stock holder Meeting and made more Stock then Wal Mart Employee

Looks like notorious far-right reactionary is on the side of Wal-Mart regarding secret ballots:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121815502467222555.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

"maximumizing short term (quarterly) profits."
Wal-Mart has been around for quite some time now. Many companies started out losing money for years (Amazon, for example) while building up their business so they could make profits later. Of course, what is "short" or "long" is a matter of opinion and we naturally discount the more uncertain and distant future.

The growing perception of our society (correctly IMO) is that it is unfair economically.
Do any you have any polling data supporting that? To me "fair" is an inherently subjective term and I try to avoid it so I can communicate more clearly, but I posted a link earlier indicating that inequality has been decreasing thanks to Wal-Mart. It should also be noted that the self-reported happiness of Americans has less relation to inequality than among Europeans, though liberal Americans (not necessarily the economically disadvantaged) tend to care more about it.
http://www.themonkeycage.org/2008/07/post_97.html

What we call wealth only has meaning in a stable society
The natural state of man is nasty, brutish and short. You can read Demonic Males, Sick Societies or War Before Civilization on that. We spend most of our existence as a species in that steady-state. It is only because of instability and economic growth that we are no longer in it.

But as European aristocrats learned, if the "losers" decide to play a different game who is a "winner" changes dramatically.
In the French Revolution, that turned out to be nobody, not even Robespierre or the peasantry (who made up the bulk of guillotine victims). I suppose Napoleon was a winner for a while. What kind of victory is that?

You dread the "next improvement" as opposed to what?
Spontaneous order. Unplanned, undirected and relying on metis.

And what do you think of efforts at "improvement" like abolishing slavery or striving for a more equitable society. Dreadful?
Would you put the U.S Civil War and Bolshevik Revolution under those categories? I think those were some dreadful incidents. I don't judge events and actors by the intentions (which we all know pave the road to hell) but the results.

Whoops, forgot to mention that I was referring to George McGovern at the beginning of that post.

why blame the company rather than the consumers? Wal-mart thrives bc many people choose to shop there.

Labor costs do matter. Costco does provide their employees more, but on the flip side employ fewer people.

Another example, academia. In my town is a Major State University. They pay high for skilled talent on the faculty and pay above prevailing wages for unskilled/semi-skilled labor which are unionized. Where they cut labor costs is by using large amounts of graduate students to teach introductory courses, thus providing inferior service to the paying customer. If the university could get out of the stranglehold of the unions, they could free up resources to shift more PhDs into the classroom and thus raise the quality of the product. Or they could actually lower tuition.

Labor costs do matter....a lot.


"the despotism, moral depravity, and sheer viciousness of American life in the 21st century"

Blimey, is it as bad as all that? I can't help wondering why you don't get out, Kathy. There are lots of nice places that would have you, or at least non-despotic ones (I fear there wil be a bit of moral depravity going on all over, but that's life!). It is still possible to work for a better America from afar.

You do realize that it's grossly misleading to compare revenue to GDP. GDP is a value-added measure; a better comparison would be gross profits,

In Walmart's fiscal 2008 (correspondingly mostly to calendar year 2007) they made $88 billion of gross profit; this is about 0.2 percent of nominal GDP.

PS I would accept the BEA's estimate of GDP over Wikipedia's...

Kathy G,
Since you live in Chicago, I am inclined to ask why Target is not your choice of morally depraved Big-Box stores to rail against?

If it's so awful working at Walmart why do they receive many more applicants than they have jobs? Where would those people work if Walmart wasn't around? If they raised wages, they'd have to fire some workers--if they did that what would happen to the thousands that lost their jobs?

It's all well and good to rail against "depravity", but the truth is that people have chosen to shop and work at Walmart, and they do it because they prefer the alternatives. Does it bother you so much that so many people disagree with your views?

Wal-Mart has done more for the poor (though lower prices and jobs) than all welfare programs combined.

Discuss -- with numbers please.

Good for the commenters. The Wal-Mart as the root of all evil meme, is one of the strangest and most counterproductive I can recall.

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