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arbitrista

Thanks for writing about teachers unions. I've started doing some work in that area myself, and I must say I'm shocked at how weak and slanted much of it is. It seems that most people who do labor research (at least in education) come in with a chip on their shoulder rather than a desire to figure out what's going on. For example, there's a lot of talk about "restrictive collective bargaining contracts" but precious little evidence that weaker union protections leads to higher student achievement or graduation rates. It's just ASSUMED that it does.

arbitrista

By the way, sorry you're feeling down? Is there something specific happening, or is it just a generic case of the blues? I hope you feel better soon!

DrDick

"Smug, ill-informed arguments" are Kaus's hallmark. He would be fully incapacitated (OK, more fully incapacitated) without them. The truth is that he is simply another Republican oligarchist who desperately wants to totally disenfranchise the great unwashed.

SDM

Awesome. Thanks for writing this.

Kathy G.

arbitrista, thanks for asking, but I'm okay. By nature I'm a melancholic sort, and I have my good days and bad days. But today I feel fine. All hail pharmaceuticals!

Sir Charles

Kathy,

Thanks again for another great piece. Kaus is infuriating on this topic -- even more so than he generally is.

Unions were in their strongest position ever while this country went through the remarkable productivy booms of the 1940s and 50s. Indeed, they were instrumental in helping to bring it about. But the Goat Blower is never one to let facts get in the way of his ignorant opinions.

Card check would be an incredibly good step to counteract the ability of employer's to circumvent the NLRB process through intimidation and relenless propaganda. Let's hope President Obama is able to sign such a bill next year.

David Nieporent

Just how, I would like to know, are we going to get universal health care in this country without the support of unions?

That's sort of a puzzling argument, since we didn't get so-called "universal health care" in the heyday of the union movement; we've gotten closer to it as unions have gotten weaker in recent decades. (I'm not implying that there's a negative causation; I'm saying that they're unrelated.) We'll get "universal health care" when liberals demagogue and fearmonger enough to convince enough people that they're "freer" when the government takes away their freedom.

ShelbSpeaks

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Sir Charles

Yes, it's important that people be free not to get the health care they need or to be raped by insurance companies. I think that's part of the emanations and penumbras embedded in the Constitution.

JB

Awesome!! Maybe we should force unionization on every industry to counteract those mean 'ol work rules and Republican labor-busting hacks. Of course, we should only unionize proper "workers." Clearly there's no need to boost productivity for managers (even low-level ones), nor even attempt to make their lives less rotten. (As we all know, managers deserve more rotten lives compared to proper workers.) That this might lower profitability of newly unionized firms won't matter because this will be forced and nationwide, so every firm will be less profitable. Trade with less-union-friendly countries could be a problem (since their competing industries will not be straddled with higher costs and lower profitability), but we can always lift trade barriers, raise tariffs or put in quotas (but only on the right industries and source countries, of course). Lower returns to stockholders will be fine because owners are mostly rich people who deserve less. The prices on those stocks which are held by, say, workers' retirement accounts, can be kept from falling by just the right government intervention (e.g., targeted government stock purchases). Of course, lower returns to stockholders will mean raising capital (and boosting workers productivity further still) will be more expensive. So we'll need to subsidized that for the right industries (and the right sorts of capital--we don't want any government largess ending up in the hands of management). And prices might rise--since, after all, unions serve the role of raising wages and benefits (read: raising costs)--but some smartly identified and enacted price controls can always counterbalance that. Luckily, there won't be any problems implementing all that--plenty of government bureaucrats are ready and waiting to make the necessary calls (and we can always hire more)--and the world can be more free and fair (and, of course, less rotten).


Yuri Rennenkampf

Super idea! An even better one would be to mandate by law that all manufacturing workers' wages are to be doubled.

Not so fast you might say ... until I point out that when capital is substituted for labour, the result - with mathematical certainty - is an increase in the marginal productivity of labour.

Just think, when employers replace the bulk of their workforce with machines, the productivity of those still with jobs will skyrocket! Someone call the AFL-CIO and Billary.

Sir Charles

Who left the door open and let the idiot brigade in?

scottreads

Re the idiot brigade, I love it when people make purely speculative arguments about the parade of horribles that will follow if management has to answer to anyone regarding the welfare of their employees. Set aside the unsupported assertions and what you'll find is a pure unalloyed love of authority for authority's sake. God bless America!

Sir Charles

scottreads,

So true. Simply because employees join a union and win the right to bargain collectively does not mean that their wishes then are automatically fulfilled. You then get to negotiate with the employer -- and guess what? They are allowed to say no -- indeed that's all many of them do, which is why so many successful organizing campaigns do not result in obtaining a first contract.

Even in well established union-management relationships, market realities limit and constrain union behavior. Trust me on this -- I've bargained a lot of contracts over the course of 20 plus years, and rare is the moment when one is able to push for really substantial wage increases, absent some unusual condition in the markets -- a big labor shortage coupled with plentiful work or the like. What unions can do is assure that some increases flow to their members in almost all settings and, most crucially, they are generally able to make sure that employers provide decent pension and medical coverage to their employees.

scottreads

I'm much more familiar with labor law in the federal sector, where management and unions can bargain to impasse (ie, management can say no) and then go to the Federal Service Impasses Panel. At FSIP, management can make arguments about costs and efficiency which (in this administration) often win the day. What's the remedy in the private sector? Binding arbitration?

Sir Charles

scottreads,

Striking. Seriously. It's economic warfare -- and guess what. It's pretty damn hard to get people to strike nowadays. I am afraid that the proletariat tend to have mortgages, car loans and credit card debt, so a couple of missed paychecks is pretty daunting.

Strikes are nowadays almost always deliberately provoked by management or the product of management severely overreaching.

Every now and again the unions get the whip hand and get a chance to use the strike offensively, but it is a rare experience these days.

Not to blogwhore, but see this on strike activity:

http://www.cogitamusblog.com/2007/12/strikes-my-fanc.html

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