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Benjamin Rooney

This is not a specific response to this post, but a general response to your blog. I'm all kinds of interested in economics, but your recent posts are my first exposure to the entire concept of monopsony.

Which is what I want to comment on. I try to read blogs that expose me to worlds I would not otherwise understand. As a white male born into a wealthy family, I'm about as privileged as it is possible to be, and I find your writing on feminism to be phenomenally eye opening.

Everything else you write about, including your current discussion of labor market models, is fascinating, well researched, and compellingly written. Thank you for the time and effort you obviously devote to sending these writings off into the aether.

Benjamin Rooney

Okay, doch, I do I have a question.

Why would the perfect competition model require a reduction in employment to be a result of an increase in the minimum wage? I'm utterly ignorant of the model (sorry), but it seems like an increase in the price paid for labor would only decrease demand for that labor after some breakpoint was reached where the labor being paid for cost more than the return on that investment. In the case of McDonald's, obviously they have an incentive to pay the lowest possible wage, but (having worked in a McDonald's, I know) they have every step of hamburger production scientifically whittled down to create the most efficient hamburger-producing process possible. That being the case, as long as customers continue to be willing to purchase hamburgers at a price that is a reasonable percentage higher than the cost (including labor) of producing them, shouldn't McDonald's be forced to employ the same number of people?

I guess my question is, if the minimum wage rises and McDonald's should theoretically respond by firing Bob, who is going to make Bob's hamburgers?

tps12

The perfectly competitive market model should be introduced at the beginning of intro economics courses the way the geocentric universe model is introduced at the beginning of intro physics courses: a significant historical step along the road to scientific insight into the functioning of the real world, and no more.

Chris Hammond

"Finally, to Megan and others who argue that the perfect competition model is in general more plausible than monopsony, I would ask, if your employer cut everyone's wages by one cent, do you think everyone at your workplace would immediately quit? Because that's what the perfect competition model literally predicts."

Not so, if wages are cut by one cent, some workers will quit, but not all. The supply curve for labor in a perfectly competitive model is upward sloping - there would still be workers willing to work for lower and lower wages until the wage is lower than the wage demanded by the lowest-wage seeking individual.

Kathy G.

Chris, in the competitive model, the labor supply curve at the *market level* is upward-sloping, but the labor supply curve at the *firm level* is flat, and equal to the wage. So at the firm level, the model does indeed predict that if the firm cuts wages, all workers will immediately quit. And I was speaking about what happens at the firm level -- I said "your employer," not "all employers."

Chris Hammond

Ah, I did not read carefully enough. Thanks for clarifying -- my mistake.

Robert

It is foolish to ask ask for "a model ... that would permit Card and Krueger's finding that employment had risen after a minimum wage increase to be an actual relevant datum rather than an obvious fluke." Some of us know that Card and Krueger did not only examine a natural experiment. They also did a meta-analysis of previous studies.

I am actually published as showing that wages and employment cannot be explained by the interaction of well-behaved supply and demand curves, even under assumptions of perfect competition. I think of my originality as being more in a low-dimension diagram than in this decades-old (but ignored) conclusion.

A Texan in Bavaria

Ok, here's an example of monopsony a bit higher on the wage scale: working as software systems engineer/systems administrator/whatever the employer can bill the government the most for calling you for a few specific military simulations systems.

We are well-paid, but not as much as some of the more generalized IT folks. When the contract I work under changed hands, we were all offered our current pay OR LESS to join the new employer. As most of us wished to stay in one of the best-paying jobs a non-EU-citizen can get around here, we accepted - the new firm did not negotiate much.

However, if we all quit, our employer would lose their contract with the military, as we are actually difficult to replace in bulk. If we had all been able to set aside whatever anti-union prejudices many of us have, we might have been able to push for retaining or improving our previous pay packages. One at a time, however, it's not that hard to get someone up to speed, so it's rather difficult to negotiate a significant increase in pay. People with fewer geographic constraints jump to the more lucrative contracts in Poland, Lithuania, etc. as they come available.

Karmakin

Good writeup. The problem with trying to fit employment models into conventional economic models, is that quite often they don't fit. When is where the misunderstanding regarding the minimum wage comes in.

In the real world, employers, in order to operate their business require X units of labor (not in terms of time, but in terms of work that needs to be done), and they buy that labor at the lowest cost they possibly can. There are different things at play, slack seasons and busy seasons, etc.

Employers generally don't keep everybody on, especially retail/service economy keep hours flexible, which is bad for workers (and their families), but allows them to cut hours to lower their cost as much as possible.

In any case, the reason why raising the minimum wage adds jobs, is that traditionally, the paid value of labor is much less than it's actual value add. As long as the minimum wage doesn't go over the typical value add, it doesn't make sense to cut the job...especially when the job NEEDS to be done for the business to operate.

Theoretically, business owners have kept extra help in order to maintain high customer service levels, but over the last decade or so, they've been trying to get blood from a stone. Most businesses are running as lean as they can be in the first place.

Won't it result in higher prices? Again, prices are often determined by competition and not cost. As long as the competition doesn't go below the cost price (and so often these days it does in the case of loss leaders...), then prices are in the hands of competition, and probably Wall Street has more to say about prices than anything else.

Finally, Atrios had a comment about specialized knowledge on his blog (that's how i got here)...but it's even worse than that. Quite a few companies are in the process of standardizing/compartmentalizing previously professional work, so it either can be outsourced or done by those down the educational ladder so to speak. As well, your experience is really meaningless when it comes to a different job, as their system is going to be completely different.

I think it'll come to the point where education is less about knowledge, and more about class for 75-80% of the jobs out there.

crack

What's bizarre is in successive posts you've critiqued the two women that most make me question my media spending habits.

I can't stand that the Atlantic pays MM. Though she's less offensive than CP qualitatively, she tries to make up for that with quantity.

There are plenty of women out there who are more deserving of being paid by media outlets for their writing.

hellblazer

There are plenty of women out there who are more deserving of being paid by media outlets for their writing.

My lord, there are talking horses who are more deserving of being paid by media outlets for their writing.

horatius

There are plenty of women out there who are more deserving of being paid by media outlets for their writing.

I wonder if there's a similar model to explain the pathetic incompetence that permeates the current media structure. I demand statistics on the median intelligence of the modern day columnists(for newspapers only). You'll all be surprised by the results.

crack

@hellblazer

Really, everyone knows that all the talking horses already write for HotAir.

mq

Kathy, look at Card and Krueger's book "Myth and Measurement". As I commented in the other thread, that book contains a reasonable model that combines high turnover with hiring/training costs to get a less than infinitely elastic labor supply curve. All you need is some dependence of the turnover rate on the wage and costs of turnover, and there you are. So high turnover can help lead to a monopsony-like situation.

Margalis

Anyone who rags on Camille and Megan gets a thumbs-up from me.

Seriously though, well written and informative post.

I don't know much about economics and I've started perusing some economics blogs. What I've discovered is that Megan is not in any way informative, doesn't seem to know much, and writes meandering nonsensical prose. Then I read something like Delong or Calculated Risk: not in the same ballpark, not even the same sport.

Genore

in the competitive model, the labor supply curve at the *market level* is upward-sloping, but the labor supply curve at the *firm level* is flat, and equal to the wage. So at the firm level, the model does indeed predict that if the firm cuts wages, all workers will immediately quit

I'm confused. If the firm is in effect a monopsonist, then wouldn't the supply curve of labor to that firm essentially be identical to the supply curve of labor to the market. If the firm's supply curve is different than the market's supply curve, doesn't that ipso facto mean that the firm is not a monopsonist?

brian elder

It is unbelievable that the standard model and the one that Megan has gullibly (though she is not alone)swallowed, is that high staff turnover is a sign of a competitive market , when in fact is a sign of EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE !
Imagine that a new firm is offering significantly better conditions than it´s competitors , then the original firms are "forced" to respond in kind . You might expect high turnover from lower paying firms to higher paying ones for a short period until this was corrected and then a new equilibrium would be released. If you have (and you do have)continued musical chairs in the form of inter and intra firm and sector movement then this is a clear sign that firms are NOT RESPONDING AND NOT COMPETING . If the firms in a particular sector were really competing then there would be nobody to offer a much better deal as THE MERE THREAT of leaving would be enoogh to `prevent it . Far from high turnover being a sign that a market is working well , it is in fact THE CLEAREST POSSIBLE SIGN that it is NOT WORKING AT ALL.

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