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Interesting. Is there any data on wealth or net assets, rather than simply income or wages?

And I also find in interesting that if the US and UK were the ones with the biggest inequality increases in the 1980's, they were also the two most neoliberal countries.

I'd guess the relatively good US performance between '93 and '01 it has something to do with the fact that the latter half of the 1990s was the only period of genuine full employment the US had seen since the late 1960s. Very low unemployment rate (below 4%) and very high levels of labor force participation reduced wage inequality quite a bit.

Here's a handy table: http://www.epi.org/images/ACF00GQF4.gif

Approaching 37% of American families below a more up-to-date poverty line?

The 50 percentile American family income in 2005 was $56,277 (technically, that's mean third-quintile in the Census tables).

The "minimum needs" table on p.44 of the 2001 book, Raise the Floor, maps out a very plausible poverty line for a family of three at $31,111 in 2005 dollars -- assuming health care is otherwise provided. Add $11,000 to purchase a family health plan and this plausible poverty line rises to $42,111 for a family of three (three years ago) -- the Raise' line computed by a totaling up of actual needs, not the half-century old federal formula of three times the price of an "emergency" diet.

(Raise' provides extensive explanations for its minimum needs parameters in Appendix B -- its tables cite Solutions for Progress. Average family size is 3.13 persons.)

The difference between second and third quintile averages ($35,000 and $56,000) runs roughly $1,000/percentile. So, needing to add $7,000 to $35,000 -- the 30 percentile mark -- to get $42,000 demarks 37%* of American families below poverty, at least without food stamps and other helps. Assuming all families were covered by comprehensive health insurance would still leave 26% of families on the wrong side of Raise's minimum needs line without helps -- don't know how many of those families between 26% and 37% are covered or by how much.

However perfectly accurate Raise's tables may or may not be, our media continuing to report the decades now, mis-measured federal poverty line of 12.5% without qualification is like the press of Columbus' era repeating without comment that the world is flat -- it makes no waves; but informed folks know better. :-)

[* Raise's tables allot $3,000 for yearly medical expenses for a family of three even if insured.]

Approaching 37% of American families below a more up-to-date poverty line?

The 50 percentile American family income in 2005 was $56,277 (technically, that's mean third-quintile in the Census tables).

The "minimum needs" table on p.44 of the 2001 book, Raise the Floor, maps out a very plausible poverty line for a family of three at $31,111 in 2005 dollars -- assuming health care is otherwise provided. Add $11,000 to purchase a family health plan and this plausible poverty line rises to $42,111 for a family of three (three years ago) -- the Raise' line computed by a totaling up of actual needs, not the half-century old federal formula of three times the price of an "emergency" diet.

(Raise' provides extensive explanations for its minimum needs parameters in Appendix B -- its tables cite Solutions for Progress. Average family size is 3.13 persons.)

The difference between second and third quintile averages ($35,000 and $56,000) runs roughly $1,000/percentile. So, needing to add $7,000 to $35,000 -- the 30 percentile mark -- to get $42,000 demarks 37%* of American families below poverty, at least without food stamps and other helps. Assuming all families were covered by comprehensive health insurance would still leave 26% of families on the wrong side of Raise's minimum needs line without helps -- don't know how many of those families between 26% and 37% are covered or by how much.

However perfectly accurate Raise's tables may or may not be, our media continuing to report the decades now, mis-measured federal poverty line of 12.5% without qualification is like the press of Columbus' era repeating without comment that the world is flat -- it makes no waves; but informed folks know better. :-)

[* Raise's tables allot $3,000 for yearly medical expenses for a family of three even if insured.]

Approaching 37% of American families below a more up-to-date poverty line?

The 50 percentile American family income in 2005 was $56,277 (technically, that's mean third-quintile in the Census tables).

The "minimum needs" table on p.44 of the 2001 book, Raise the Floor, maps out a very plausible poverty line for a family of three at $31,111 in 2005 dollars -- assuming health care is otherwise provided. Add $11,000 to purchase a family health plan and this plausible poverty line rises to $42,111 for a family of three (three years ago) -- the Raise' line computed by a totaling up of actual needs, not the half-century old federal formula of three times the price of an "emergency" diet.

(Raise' provides extensive explanations for its minimum needs parameters in Appendix B -- its tables cite Solutions for Progress. Average family size is 3.13 persons.)

The difference between second and third quintile averages ($35,000 and $56,000) runs roughly $1,000/percentile. So, needing to add $7,000 to $35,000 -- the 30 percentile mark -- to get $42,000 demarks 37%* of American families below poverty, at least without food stamps and other helps. Assuming all families were covered by comprehensive health insurance would still leave 26% of families on the wrong side of Raise's minimum needs line without helps -- don't know how many of those families between 26% and 37% are covered or by how much.

However perfectly accurate Raise's tables may or may not be, our media continuing to report the decades now, mis-measured federal poverty line of 12.5% without qualification is like the press of Columbus' era repeating without comment that the world is flat -- it makes no waves; but informed folks know better. :-)

[* Raise's tables allot $3,000 for yearly medical expenses for a family of three even if insured.]

OPPS; SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME I ATTEMPTED TO BACK UP TO THE PREVIOUS LINK AND HAD TO RETURN -- MY POST POSTED AGAIN!

:-] sheepish grin

Interesting stuff about the artificial poverty line figure. In addition to that, with respect to Kathy's first post, I wonder if the statistical growth of wealth disparity in the US (and UK) as opposed to other "developed" countries has to do with the increasing tendency, since the 1980s, for the richest sectors of US society to be compensated with lucrative stock option packages?

According to Ted Nace's book "Gangs of America," (www.gangsofamerica.com) the average CEO of a large corporation earned 42 times the average worker's hourly pay in 1980; in 2001 this ratio had apparently soared to 411 times. (p.212) So the phenomenon of the super-rich CEO probably drives up wealth disparity, at least in the US statistics.

Nace claims that this trend has to do with the fact that more and more CEOs are receiving stock options, which in turn encourages corporate malfeasance to keep the price of stock artificially high (e.g. the Enron scandal) As it happens, CEOs generally face very little liability for this sort of thing since it is increasingly difficult to hold corporations accountable for their actions in a court of law.

"CEO of a large corporation earned 42 times the average worker's hourly pay in 1980; in 2001 this ratio had apparently soared to 411 times..."

We have to also look generally at the system - American brand of capitalism is much different than European other countries' Capitalist system. Europe and Canada has more socialist approach to their economic and policy issues than the United States.

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